I did a slug of interviews in 2007, to include Irwin Hasen, who we sadly lost on the 13th of this month. When I spoke to him he was a mere kid of 89 and while it was a brief conversation, it was fun, too, and of course I got to get him on record one more time as one of the original instructors at the Kubert School.
Bryan Stroud for Comics Bulletin: Which characters did you create over the years?
Irwin Hasen: The Wildcat and also a comic strip called Dondi.
CB: You and Bill Finger did that one didn’t you?
Hasen: That’s right.
CB: How did you come up with that one?
Hasen: I was in the fight business. I used to be a cartoonist for the fight business, which you wouldn’t know since you were a child.
CB: (Laughter.) Yes, sir.
Hasen: This was in the early ’40s, late ’30s and I was a cartoonist, a freelance cartoonist for a magazine in the fight business; a trade paper and I illustrated the drawings.
CB: So it was just a natural thing to do a boxer.
Hasen: That’s right.That’s how they decided to put me on Wildcat that I created with Bill Finger.
CB: When a writer and artist create a character like that how much collaboration is there?
Hasen: Not too much.They’d just send me the scripts.
CB: So you did the design and took it from there.
CB: What was Bill like to work with?
Hasen: A great guy. Very, very ill-fated man, personally. Ill-fated.
CB: Oh, yeah, every story I’ve heard just breaks your heart.
Hasen: He was a loser, yep. And when I use the word ‘loser,’ I do it affectionately.
CB: Yes, as in someone who was just on the wrong end of things.
Hasen: That’s right.Always late with his work.Never had money.
CB: I’ve heard before he was always tardy with scripts. What’s your take as far as why he was usually late?
Hasen: It was something that some people have, and he was ill-fated, right from the beginning of his career.And that’s the sad thing because he was so talented.He created Batman.He wrote Batman, rather.
CB: Yes, and Green Lantern.
Hasen: Yeah, he wrote all those wonderful comic books.
CB: And continued to right up to the end as I understand it.
Hasen: That’s right. It’s a very sad story, but let’s not dwell about sad things.
CB: Tell me a little bit about when you started at All American, please.
Hasen: Well, I started by just showing samples to the editors and they liked my work and I got to do work for them and when I was in the Army in 1942, I used to come in on the weekends and sit in my uniform at the offices and I would do the covers for Green Lantern, The Flash. Most of the work I did was covers.
CB: Did you like that?
Hasen: Yeah. I couldn’t compete with my fellow cartoonists. Brilliant cartoonists. Joe Kubert and a few others, but I could do a cover and I gave great covers.
CB: Do you know how many you did?
Hasen: About 150. 80 Wonder Woman covers.I would say 100 covers.I do recreations of all those covers I did for clients.
CB: I bet there’s quite a demand for that.
Hasen: Yes. They call or they write to me and they know exactly which cover they want and I let them know what I’m going to charge them, etc., etc.
CB: It’s nice that you’re getting that kind of recognition.
Hasen: Thank you.
CB: When you received an assignment, what were the deadlines like?
Hasen: I never had problems.I had a week to 10 days to complete an assignment.
CB: Were you doing strictly pencils?
Hasen: I did the whole thing.
CB: The lettering, too?
Hasen: No. Somebody else did that.
CB: Okay, I never was quite sure when lettering became a specialty.
Hasen: It was always a specialty.
CB: Comic strips back in the day seemed to carry more legitimacy than comic books. Why do you think that was?
Hasen: Comic strips? There was magnificence about them. They were something that was so completely apart from the comic books. The comic books were kind of looked down on, but yet they were some of the greatest art work, by great artists who worked in comic books. Comic strips were sort of the elegant part of our business.
CB: I understand you worked with some of the greats back then, can you tell me a little about a few people? How about Irv Novick?
Hasen: He was a close friend. We worked together and we socialized. Alex Toth was my best friend. I met him when he was sixteen and I was twenty-four or twenty-five. He liked my work and I could never understand why. I really mean it, I’m not being modest. But for some reason or another he was attracted to my work. He had a sad ending.
Hasen: He had a sad life. He had personal problems with his wives and also he got heavy. He put on a lot of weight and he smoked like a chimney. Unfortunately in the later part of his life his personality changed and soured. It soured on the world, which is not too difficult to do in these days. He had a sad ending of his life.
CB: That’s a shame. Especially after the great body of work he left behind.
Hasen: He was the master. Roy Crane and Alex Toth were my heroes.
CB: Everyone I’ve spoken to, whether it was Gaspar Saladino or…
Hasen: Oh, Gaspar? You spoke to him?
CB: Yeah and what a wonderful guy.
Hasen: He was my letterer on Dondi.
CB: Oh, I didn’t realize that.
Hasen: First one. He and I were very, very close.
CB: How about Julie Schwartz, did you work with him much?
Hasen: Yeah, he was my editor. He was a grand old guy. A pain in the ass. He was a very strange guy. He was involved with himself so much. But he was a damn good editor.
CB: That’s what I hear. He was one of the best.
Hasen: Yeah. I didn’t mean to get personal about him. He and I were close in a strange way.We had a love…there was never hate.We just had a strange relationship.
CB: I hear he was kind of demanding.
Hasen: Demanding is the word. But on his own terms.
CB: Carmine was telling me the only person he didn’t edit extensively was John Broome.
Hasen: Yeah, he was a great guy. There was a difference between he and Julie and they were very close. Very close. He was a gentle, 6 foot 4 guy.
CB: Did you know Shelly Moldoff very well?
Hasen: Very much. I saw him last year. He’s a low key guy. Did a lot of good work. All these guys were from the old days. Sheldon Moldoff. They were all part of the stable.
CB: Did you guys work there in the bullpen or did you work at home?
Hasen: No, we worked at home.
CB: I know you’ve done some teaching at Joe Kubert’s art school.
Hasen: I just retired this year. Thirty-one years.
CB: Wow. Was that an enjoyable task?
Hasen: Yeah. I needed it at the time. It was fine. I enjoyed it. This year I just decided that’s it. I even retired before I got ill.